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[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello representative john yarmouth coming up right at the top of the hour to tell us about the fiscal cliff clayen. jacki schechner healthcare geek. i ahead an article on the hill, we should warn the cockles -- leave medicaid out of the talks. liberals are pressing to take medicate off the table in deficit reduction talks. you talked about this in our last jacki's healthcare corner. >> the medicaid expansion is interesting because part of the way that we're going to get everybody covered is expanding medicaid up to 133% of poverty. that's part of the affordable care act. and the president and the administration are being very strong right now about insisting that states have to follow the

law to a t and not be able to implement it incrementally or partially. so not only leave it out of the talk but the administration is holding firm right now and insisting that this medicaid expansion either take place in its entirety or not at all. >> stephanie: i wound up the healthcare bot. >> sorry. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: very good. love you. now here she is putting on her little news hat in the current news center. >> good morning. we'll do some other stuff for you. abc news' diane sawyer sat down for an exclusive interview with the record breaking 20 female senators of the incoming 113th congress. the 14 -- the 16 democrat and four republican women will be sworn in january 3rd. senator susan collins of maine tells sawyer that when it comes to the current on-going fiscal cliff negotiations, it would be better if the women were running the show. >> i think if we were in charge of the senate and of the

administration, that we would have a budget deal by now. >> go, girl power! now that we're coming up at the end of the year, we're getting a chance to take a look at what set records and who should have set the record straight. first of all twitter has revealed the most retweeted tweet of the year. and it is this photo. if we could -- there you go. from the obama campaign. it popped up election night with the caption four more years. within hours, it not only became the top retweet of the year but the top retweet ever. people in more than 200 countries around the world shared the photo of the president hugging the first lady. and politifact.com says that the romney campaign has the dishonor of having the lie of the year! that would be president obama sold chrysler to italy which would then move u.s. jeep production to china. chrysler denied the claim. the media said it was untrue. the public was outraged. the romney campaign spread it anyway. we're back after the

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>> stephanie: sexy liberal web site. sexy liberal on web site. go, get your tickets for the january 19th sexy liberal palooza, going very fast. hal sparks joins us in studio next hour for hump days with hal. the president on the fiscal cliff. >> obama: i remain optimistic there are enough people of good will in this town that recognize our economy will be much better

off. american families will be much better off if we get this done. >> stephanie: one of those men of goodwill joins us now. representative john yarmouth of the great state of kentucky. hello, congressman. >> hello stephanie. >> stephanie: didn't we have this conversation last year at this time? here we are back at the cliff. >> we need to start put youing out annual fis cav cliff cards to each other. >> stephanie: it is debt ceiling crisis season. what is your take on what, if anything is different in this post-election? >> well, i think that what's different -- two things different. one is clearly the president now has all of the leverage and has nothing politically at stake and so he's in a very much a stronger position. and the other thing is that even the most conservative members are being told when they go home they need to get something

done. so i think it has changed markedly. >> stephanie: that's what i think. they're trying to play gotcha with the president. you said this then though and -- well, that was then. this is now you know. he has more leverage. he won the election. that's how we do things here, right? >> absolutely. i think obviously we heard a number of republicans say publicly that we need to -- that they need to acknowledge that. their party needs to acknowledge that and take what they can get. so i think the atmosphere is much more conducive to some kind of compromise. but from the republican side. and probably on our side, there is a little bit less. feeling we need to compromise particularly when you start talking about medicare and medicaid and social security. those are very tough. >> stephanie: we were talking about that. there is an article in "the hill" about liberals saying leave medicaid out of the talks. i know henry waxman says keep

your hands off the medicaid program. do you think that's going to happen? >> i think -- i don't think that will be part of whatever deal is reached between now and the end of the year. i don't think it should be. the idea that we could -- you could reform or change any program that affects tens of millions of people so significantly and you could make a change with two people negotiating behind closed doors i just think that would be irresponsible. even if it is the president speaker of the house. >> stephanie: harry reid said this yesterday. there's not going to be time to get something done by christmas. obviously the republicans are not really coming to the table with anything serious. so how does this play out and what is the actual deadline, do you think? >> i still think if i were betting, i would bet that we're going to pass the senate bill in the house which basically gives everybody a tax duty on their first $2 -- tax cut on their first $250,000 and higher rates go into effect after that and everything else gets pushed until next year. kick the can down the road.

we don't go to sequester and have the across-the-board cuts of 9% which would really damage the economy. then we try to come back with some kind of a more comprehensive deal in the next congress. >> stephanie: does that technically take us off the cliff? what is the actual deadline for that? >> the cliff is january 1st. the cliff is the combination of across the board spending cuts and all of the -- the bush tax cuts expiring. you also have unemployment benefits ending for a couple million people if we don't act and you have the payroll tax holiday and that's the same -- that's also december 31st so everybody's payroll withholding goes back to 6.2 instead of 4.2%. that's kind of the cliff and the phrase being coined as i think i've said before on your program, i think it was a conspiracy of editorial cartoonists. who came up with the cliff idea so they could draw something. but all of these things combined

result in taking huge amounts of money out of the economy. >> stephanie: congressman passing this -- the middle class tax cuts, that's not going to avoid the cliff is what my question is. right? >> no, not by itself. you still have the automatic spending cuts which should go into effect. but if the tax portion is really a more significant portion because in total you're talking about over ten years right now there are $5.5 trillion worth of cuts if we don't change it. about $1.2 trillion of that is cuts in spending and the rest is the tax part. so the taxes really are the biggest part. >> stephanie: congressman i've asked this over and over. maybe you can give me a better understanding. why are we even talking about you know, doing some tax rates that's in the middle of 35% and 39%. as the white house has indicated, we'll go over the cliff and rates automatically go to 39% where they should be and

then we come back with a new congress and fix it in a week or two. >> that's certainly a strategy if the republicans want to play it that way. that's up to them at this point. it is certainly a viable strategy from our perspective. democrats aren't going to get blamed if that's happens. the president's made clear what he wants to see happen. the public is overwhelmingly on his side. on our side two to one in terms of the polling. they think the taxes ought to go up on the wealthiest americans and so there's really not much political downside for us democrats to do that. >> stephanie: and they're looking at this same polling and yet john boehner is still saying things like this. >> where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house walks this process the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: how many times can the president say it? you know, this is not negotiable. tax rates have to go up on the

wealthiest. >> right. well you know, it is a very strange situation. it does feel a lot like groundhog day. but i think john boehner knows what's going to happen and right now, what he's trying to do is make a deal that won't cost him his speakership and it also won't be undermined by people in his caucus. he needs to have a significant share of republican's vote for whatever we do and i think he's trying to do that. that's why he sent us home a day early last week and canceled business this week. i think he's trying to keep his own people out of town so he has more flexibility in coming up with a solution. >> stephanie: you know it seems to me, representative, you described it exactly right. that's the problem is that they're doing what's best for them politically and you know, the president and you guys are trying to do what's best for the country. what's best for people that are hurting. >> that's absolutely true. it is a shame.

what's more of a shame, in addition to the fiscal cliff we still have to pass a farm bill. we still have to do -- fix the -- what's called the sgr an automatic cut reimbursement to doctors who provide medicare services. >> stephanie: right. >> we have the violence against women act. we have the national defense authorization act. all of these things have to be done by the end of the year and he's canceling days of business. so it is a bizarre situation right now. we have -- we came in last night. 6:30. we had one vote to approve the journal. very significant. we're in session all day today. we have one vote. it is a procedural vote. and then we're out of session as of 1:00 tomorrow. >> stephanie: that's a little -- that's a little counterintuitive. we have so much to do. let's work less. good luck. do you have hope for -- better hope for the new congress in the

new year? >> i do. again, i think the mood is changing and i think the new members who are coming in are -- were elected in a different environment with a different mandate, if you can call it a mandate. they were elected to get something done. >> stephanie: yep. >> the 84 or 85 or 86 who are leaving, good riddance! >> stephanie: nicely said, sir. all right, representative john yarmuth, thank you sir. >> i love him. [ applause ] >> stephanie: looky here, an unsolicited testimonial. dave in new hampshire is on to my scam. dear ms. miller, i stumbled on to your program six or seven years ago. it is crystal clear that something afoot. i don't mean your hammertoe. we record your tv show on current to watch after work. oh, thank you. you can watch it because it repeats right after so it is on -- what is it, 9:00 to noon eastern and noon to 3:00 again.

>> six hours. >> holy crap. >> stephanie: we purchased a soda stream. er with adding a second rescue drug. met you, john and aisha in boston. appeared at your test mony. my wife and i are from chick wag ga. coincidence? i think not. >> stephanie: they're supporting a hometown girl. thank you to you and your lovely wife. how lovely of you. let's go to chase in providence, rhode island. >> caller: good morning, you sexy liberal. >> stephanie: thank you. you, too. >> caller: i'm a little offtoppic from the fiscal cliff but i think i can bring us back. >> stephanie: all right. >> caller: there was a shooting on an indian reservation a couple of days ago. five people were left dead. a shooting was -- has happened in oregon. the media keeps hyping up the fiscal cliff and they actually

had a report on cnn where they were showing this woman blathering about how she's going to lose her unemployment and everything and i feel like there seems to be a tie-in between the economy, what's going on and this constant rampage. i'm wondering what at point is our government going to speak about it. i'm not one to condone removing all guns. we need to have a conversation. >> stephanie: also, i think everybody's going a little crazy around the holidays. i think there are a lot of factors right now. everybody i know is -- we're having mutual bitch session all day on the phone. 17 minutes after the hour. kids, i don't know what we would do without carbonite here at the "the stephanie miller show." t-bone has all of our contacts, guest names and numbers in his computer. you have everything. >> everything. >> stephanie: only reason are you have job security. >> thank you. >> stephanie: you have the jingles and the sound bytes and the music. i have show prep stuff stuff from my book.

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to leave for another voice-over job. [ ♪ hypnotic ♪ ] that's one ambitious christmas beaver. i know you're constantly juggling balls during your show but i know with your theatre degree, you can pay attention to bucky's blocking. [ applause ] >> stephanie: all right. we're starting to lose it. okay. all right. >> we still have more than a week to go. >> stephanie: i know. >> obama: the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes don't go up on january 1st and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> yeah, we'll see. >> stephanie: that's what john yarmuth thinks will happen. the president's carney. >> very specific spending cuts, including savings and entitlement programs and again

it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document. >> stephanie: liz in illinois. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hey, liz. >> caller: hi. i'm in illinois. we don't care about the tools in wisconsin, indiana and michigan. because we this -- they have to learn that these republicans aren't going to do -- >> stephanie: thank you, liz. i enjoyed your work as charlie brown's teacher. i don't know what was wrong with that call. was it me? [ applause ] >> she was using her "sports illustrated" sneaker phone. or football phone. whatever. >> stephanie: something about republicans in michigan. wa wa. she had some good points. >> speak directly into the clown's mouth. >> stephanie: right, okay. would you like fries? >> i want fries!

>> stephanie: senator tom harkin, democrat of iowa yesterday. >> all of you negotiators who are now negotiating on this so-called fiscal cliff and stuff. keep your hands off medicare and keep your hands off medicaid. >> stephanie: that's what i was just saying in the article on the hill. it warms the cockles of my liberal heart. >> you almost said cobbles. >> stephanie: i wonder if he says -- >> roger hedge corn. >> stephanie: senator jay rockefeller echoed the thoughts. >> we're not budging on medicare or medicaid. >> stephanie: hooray! here's other good news. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] dozens of republicans open to bucking the norquist pledge. for all of the talk of his ironclad grip on the g.o.p., a large and growing numbers say they have renounced his pledge. i love the stories and they talk about what would be acceptable to grover or not or -- who cares! who is this guy? >> i'll call. >> poopy head.

>> stephanie: until a final deal emerged tough to predict his response. who cares! >> what power does he have? >> stephanie: there goes the norquist. senator mitch yesterday. >> i think it is going to be extremely difficult to get it done before christmas. >> stephanie: sorry, that's harry reid. >> you want me to do harry reid again? >> stephanie: what i was saying to john yarmuth. >> i think it will be extremely difficult to get it done before christmas. >> stephanie: they aren't going to have time to work on the programs. they need to get them, as john said the middle class tax cut done. >> nobody should trust democrats to put a dime in new revenue toward real deficit reduction. or to stop their shakedown of the taxpayers. >> of the taxpayers. >> speaking of mitch mclipless, did you see what dubious honor he won yesterday? >> stephanie: yes i'm getting to that! nobody help me! i've got this. >> just trying to produce here.

>> stephanie: don't overproduce me! [ laughter ] >> stephanie: mitch mcconnell received the dubious honor of being named america's most unpopular senator! isn't that something. [ applause ] according to nau poll, 55% disapproval rating in kentucky. 37% approval rating. kentucky democratic voters express their disa desire to see ashley judd run in the primaries for 2014. rock on, girl. nay-sayer that you are expressed you didn't think that's going to happen but they just did -- i can't remember what you call it. whatever, you know. preliminary polling. judd trails him 47% to 43%. nothing has even happened yet. >> but she hasn't actually campaigned or made speeches. that's just sheer name recognition. >> stephanie: it is a great start against the minority leader. i think it's awesome. >> well, you know. >> stephanie: i say rock on! i just like the fact he's

starting to sound more and more like jim's impression of him. >> i'm not exactly going to run again. it's more of a slow crawl. >> stephanie: exactly. he doesn't even -- he can't even run is the point. how hard would it be for ashley judd to catch him? she's in great shape. >> pull his hair. >> stephanie: right. when we come back, charlie pierce. he had a doctor's appointment yesterday. he had some great stuff at esquire.com. we talk to him next on "the stephanie miller show." (vo) this friday current tv presents a special event. >> nobody knows disasters like comedians. that's why for my upcoming benefit for victims of hurricane sandy, i booked the strongest, smartest comics i could find. my comedian friends and i will raise money to rebuild homes and

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>> stephanie miller. >> screw santa! let's have some fun! >> stephanie: it is the "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks next hour. 34 minutes after the hour. why there's only one man who understands and that's -- >> he's a crown. that -- >> pierce. >> charlie pierce, political columnist for esquire.com. ♪ why is everybody always laughing with me ♪ >> stephanie: good morning charlie pierce. >> it is wednesday not tuesday but it is wednesday with tuesday in its heart. >> stephanie: are you feeling better? >> i have a medical condition which requires them to take a pint of blood out of me once a month so we did that yesterday. so in the ultimate act of post-feminist revenge, i have to bleed once a month.

>> see what you did there. [ ♪ circus ♪ ] >> stephanie: okay. you're a pint low. >> i am a pint low but what i lost in blood i made up in snarks. they had the snark tube in the other arm. >> stephanie: fabulous work at the esquire.com nonetheless. i loved your piece because it was so, you know, personal and obviously -- you know, nobody debunks the talking points on tv better. the actual cost of washington's clever debt deal, you know, when people throw out these ideas right. >> raising the medicare rates are. as though no people get sick. >> stephanie: you know, we have callers all the time. remember chris yesterday we had this woman who called -- her husband is a brick layer in chicago. >> he's laying bricks? >> stephanie: you think that's going to be easy to do until you're 67? they throw the ideas out like there's no human cost. >> the one that gets me is like none of them have ever dealt

with an insurance company. >> yeah. >> none of these people have ever dealt with a health insurance company. do you know what they're going to be paying? >> stephanie: exactly. it is going to end up costing us more. you actually talk about ezra klein and jonathan who we normally love. >> i think ezra got lumped in there because he mentioned the possibility. >> stephanie: raising the medicare. you said only gently point out almost every part of the primary rationale for doing what they suggest that any deal -- sacrifice on entitlements is required so john boehner is not cannibalized by his caucus is pure beltway group think. it renders insignificant the human cost out in the country of the policy proposed to solve what is essentially a conundrum devised by unaccountable elites. you talk about alzheimer's disease. go ahead. >> no, no. because my father and all four of his siblings had it.

the emotional and literal cost of the disease is extraordinary. it is $150,000 for every alzheimer's patient from diagnosis to death. we're coming into a boom because of the baby boomers. >> stephanie: there's 5.4 million people in the disease right now. that's taking a look at one disease and the impact on one group of people. what a horrible idea this is, right? >> yeah. i don't understand doing it just so you can maybe get enough rip can votes to push the top marginal rate to 37. that just -- that's an obscenity to me. i don't know how -- i think you saw this, too in the politico piece yesterday where they went around to a bunch of ceos and to their everlasting shock found out that most of the prescriptions of ceos and the politicians in washington have for the economy is -- are those which ensure that they stay rich. >> stephanie: exactly. but i love how you put it. all of these people, talking

about people affected by alzheimer's and their family, all of these people represent a considerable amount of pain that is not being figured into the shrewd political calculations you get on the sunday shows. you bring up a lot of questions. make the deal. what do they do? shop for private insurance for another two years? does that sound remotely practical to anybody who is not a, a member of congress or b a well remune nated pundits who can afford a cadillac plan of their own. this is a great rock rolling down the hill and there's no private sector solution to it. raising the medicare eligibility age will hasten their deaths and bankrupt their families. people will not appreciate how clever you all are. >> stephanie: that's such a -- a beautiful piece charlie. people throw around the talking points to seem smart and they don't talk about the human costs like that. >> i think the whole debate is operating in a dangerous -- from actual people. it is being conducted in secret

which i don't really have a problem with because i do think it is better if you keep the media noise out of it. but the parameters of the discussion do not take into effect the people of the country in any significant way. that i can see. it is all about getting the deal done somehow. >> stephanie: right. you know, john yarmuth was just on with us. what his best guess is they're going to pass the middle class tax cuts. what do you think? >> you meefn just do that and get on with the other -- this is the tom cole plan, right? >> stephanie: i guess so. get those passed. >> get those passed then deal with everything else after the first of the year. >> that's the path of least resistance to me. the idea that we're having a debate over this is completely bizarre. but if you expect -- if you accept parameters of the debate on its face, that's the path of least resistance. that's popular and it gets it out of the way. then you can have an argument over the other stuff. just the idea that that we're arguing it, at this state of our

evolution as a political commonwealth that the richest 1% should pay 39% instead of 35% of their income, as i said before, i'm for rolling back the reagan tax cuts. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: chew on that for a minute. let's talk about michigan for a minute because -- >> michissippi. this is a unaccountable power producing unaccountable politics. there's no recourse for the people affected most by this particular -- now, do i think that rick snyder has made himself a one-term governor, yes but the damage is already done. >> stephanie: somebody said yesterday, if this is the right thing, why are you doing it in the dark, with no committee hearings? >> why is he doing it in a lame duck session when the answer is of course you don't have the votes when the new legislature comes together. >> stephanie: we were just saying on its face, seems to be a lot of political payback going on.

>> this is the last gasp of an old order. i read something about ten minutes ago which said that the republicans seem to be content to litigate the 2012 election forever. >> stephanie: right. >> they're doubling down on voter suppression. they're doubling down -- guy in florida the other day saying -- as much as admitting the voter i.d. laws are voter suppression on the part of republicans. you've got this thing in michigan. it is like they've got this last chance to get everything they want and they're really pushing everything advantage they have. >> stephanie: exactly. charlie, late talk supreme court before you go. because we haven't had a chance to talk big stuff going on. scalia remains a complete disgrace to me. >> i wrote this about six months ago. i believe it is true. i don't think he cares anymore. >> stephanie: i read that piece. it was great. >> i don't think he gives a damn. he's going to say whatever he wants and do whatever he wants and retire on his own schedule. everything else can go to hell. he really doesn't care about the day job anymore. >> stephanie: does he really think that's appropriate --

that's the kind of language for a supreme court justice to use to compare homosexuality to murder? >> if you're a supreme court justice who considers yourself a touring intellect dealing with a bunch of human insects who waste your time, that's exactly the kind of language you use. that's what his attitude has been for the last ten years on the bench at least. >> stephanie: he said it is not necessary but i think it is effective. >> with -- one of the heroes of -- the former congressman ignatius donnelly who was the original atlantis theorist who wrote i believe i'm right or if not right at least plausible. that's what scalia is. i think i'm right but at the very least i'm getting your attention, aren't i? >> stephanie: again that's why -- >> supreme court justice. >> stephanie: he strikes me as a fox news host, not a supreme court justice. >> he lost me completely. it prompted my thought maybe he doesn't care about the day job

anymore, when he used the broccoli argument during the oral argument about the healthcare law. i can make people buy broccoli, can't i? that's right off the barn floor of fox news. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: exactly. before you go, your thoughts on the more important of the issue day of the should this woman get the ikea monkey back? >> i think so. >> what happened? >> stephanie: ikea monkey. there was a little tiny monkey in a shearling coat found at ikea in. in canada. >> an actual monkey? >> stephanie: right. >> in a coat. >> in a shearling coat. it was very well -- >> stephanie: it is his favorite. >> was it like scarfing the meatball counter or what? that's my favorite thing about ikea. >> the own her left the monkey in the car while -- >> stephanie: as you do. >> when they went in. >> the monkey escaped out of the car. it was lonely. >> because monkeys are smarter

than their owners. >> you could see him peering through the window into the ikea looking for his owner. >> they called the cops or what? >> stephanie: it was taken into -- they took it away from her. it is in an animal sanctuary. >> it is in protective custody. >> because apparently it is illegal to keep a wild animal like that at home. >> it is certainly illegal to dress them that well. >> stephanie: the monkey is named darwin. >> i would give the monkey back to the woman but i would also make the monkey the woman's guardian. smartest member of the whole thing. that would be my solution. >> stephanie: all right. you're so unscalia-like, you're a much fairer and wiser man. charlie pierce, love you. see you next week, honey. >> stephanie: my animal lover horror, we were reading this yesterday. she says the monkey which she named darwin -- she had initially tried to return it to the breeder who supplied it but changed her mind after hearing its cries. darwin stays near her at all

times including while she sleeps. i want a tiny monkey. >> she probably shouldn't have taken it and left it in the car. especially if it's illegal to keep a monkey. especially if it's illegal to keep a monkey like that in that jurisdiction. >> stephanie: well not one that well-dressed as charlie said. i think we need to play baby monkey in honor of darwin going back to his owner. >> right now or after the break? >> after the break. >> welcome to the party barn. may we take your order? it's "the stephanie miller show." >> wow! i've never seen anything like this. >> when disaster strikes sometimes the only way out is to look within. current tv digs deep into the extraordinary tales of heroism determination and escape.

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>> oh, my god! look at her butt! it is so big. >> stephanie miller. >> she looks like a total prostitute. ♪ i like big butts and i cannot lie ♪ >> sorry. >> stephanie: it is "the stephanie miller show." this hour brought to you by go to meeting with hd faces, the powerfully simple way to meet and collaborate with your team online. now you can present from your ipad. try it free for 30 days. click on the try it free button and type in the promo code, stephanie. in honor of ikea monkey. in honor of his mom getting him back because his mom misses him! okay. ♪ baby monkey ♪ ♪ baby monkey ♪ ♪ riding on a big baby monkey ♪ ♪ baby monkey ♪ ♪ baby monkey ♪

♪ you don't know what is right ♪ ♪ you've got to keep on keeping on ♪ ♪ get on the pig and ride ♪ ♪ baby monkey ♪ >> stephanie: monkey needs his mommy. okay. >> free baby monkey. >> stephanie: exactly. at ca, at ca. >> monkeys can be dangerous. >> stephanie: not that one. he's a tiny monkey with a shearling coat. what's he going to do? [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> ask the people who live on planet of the apes what they can do. >> stephanie: damn, dirty apes. >> damn you all to hell. >> stephanie: chance of angry protestors filled the capitol. michigan gave final approval to the right-to-work legislation. bob king, united autoworkers president yesterday. >> i think that unions -- i think things like this are

waking the sleeping giant. working families are tired of losing. they want a fair share of the prosperity of this state and this country and i think that's going to help build the union movement. >> stephanie: yeah. i love the republican house speaker. this is about freedom. fairness and equality. these are basic american rights, rights that should unite us. that's why we did this behind closed doors with no referendum because we knew it would unite us. >> freedom for ceos. >> stephanie: michigan's future has never been brighter because workers are free. >> free to live on the streets. >> stephanie: yes. >> in winter. >> stephanie: ah yes. senator carl levin of michigan. >> he has a responsibility as governor of avoiding this kind of a cliff. it is not -- it's not good enough we told him -- for him to say that he would like to get this behind us. >> stephanie: he went on to say -- the senator for millions of michigan workers this is no ordinary debate.

it is an assault to have their bagger aging assault their pay and to have all benefit from such negotiations share in some way in the cost of obtaining them. that's exactly what it is. it is to weaken unions. they keep talking about the 47% of us, the moochers. this is letting people freeload by withholding -- you know, they don't have to pay and they get the same benefits. how is that not -- being a taker! >> that is a taker. >> stephanie: okay. carol in michigan. you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi carol. >> caller: hi. i'm doing fine. i love your show. you guys are truly inspirational. i'm so glad you're on. >> stephanie: thank you. >> caller: yeah, hey, i have a couple of points to make. earlier, there was a comment made by a right wing guy who said that car companies didn't want to come to michigan because of the high union wages. well there's been a two-tier wage system in place for about five or six years where the new employees actually make half of what the older employees have.

so there's like a -- two contracts within one contract. and -- >> stephanie: by the way isn't another -- foreign car company is coming to michigan, aren't they, to open a plant? i just read. >> caller: i don't know much about that. i really don't. >> stephanie: go ahead. >> caller: and then i have another point. my brother -- i'm a third generation union worker. i just retired. and my brother who still works for the same shop i worked for they all took a bus down to lansing yesterday and he took his 14-year-old son with him who really wanted to go. i think it is so important that the younger people be educated and it really opened his eyes to see what the real world was like and he was going to come back and report it to his history class today in high school. >> stephanie: wow. >> caller: i just think it is so great. i think we need more of that. we need more education out there as to how good unions are. >> stephanie: you have a -- obviously a proud history in michigan and now you know what else, you have, a $100 gift

code! flowers gift code. >> you're the best call of the day, carol. >> stephanie: and you're union and you're from michigan. hang on. >> wow! >> travis will get your info. >> stephanie: for the perfect holiday gift, go to proflowers.com, enter the promo code stephanie. there you go. okay. tony in north carolina. hey, tony, welcome. >> how you doing stephanie? >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: this president needs to start acting like ronald reagan -- i know who ronald reagan is supposed to be but who is tip o'neil supposed to be? definitely not the speaker and this speaker is scared of fox news. he's scared of the tea party. he's scared of grover norquist. they'll be scare of the same thing. this speaker cannot stand up to

leadership outside of washington or to grover norquist for the tea party he's weak in the leadership behind him having the same problem he has. >> stephanie: he's a weak, orange, little man. all right. speaking of -- wow -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] speaking of sour grapes. wow, wow wow. a lot of post-election backlash. former texas g.o.p. head, marx ics obama fried his brains on drugs. >> marxist right. >> stephanie: kathy adams please and thank you she gave a presentation before a conservative meeting in texas. she said who is a marxist in our white house? of course it is barack hussein obama and i don't know why we're not calling him what he is. >> does she know the definition of marxism? >> stephanie: it is as if when the wall fell, communism died. it didn't. today it is red on the outside and barack obama is implementing

his green agenda which is marxism. >> ah, right. >> stephanie: bugga lug about -- bug gabug ga. >> i don't know how to work a shoe. >> stephanie: how do buttons go again? >> don't know how to work a shoe. >> stephanie: how do you work a shoe? they're all so different. she was offend by his narcissistic behavior at the presidential debate so much so she wanted to go up and smack his face. >> i'm sure the secret service would have loved that. >> stephanie: she decried the california marijuana legalization initiative as part of obama's anti-american plans. >> he's against it. >> he's a moron. >> stephanie: okay. she said i'm telling you barack hussein obama has to have a teleprompter because he fried his brain on drugs. >> how does that explain mitt romney's need for a teleprompter, george bush's need for a teleprompter.

>> god, you smell like a dairy. >> does she not think? >> stephanie: i don't know. >> no. evidently not. >> marxist! >> stephanie: all right. john in michigan, you're on the -- how do you work a shoe, john? john in michigan. >> caller: hi, steph. yeah, i get a couple things for president obama in boulder. why don't we go back because ronald reagan is everybody's freakin' hero. >> stephanie: i thought you missed that and i caught it. still clinging to my fcc license. >> barely. okay. >> stephanie: don't scare an old woman like that. back with sexy

[ ♪ theme ♪ ] >> stephanie: hello hour number three. jacki schechner we're having a little girl's night out. i was talking to you yesterday. you were saying i don't leave my house. because -- well, i don't leave my house and i don't like to drive. i found a solution. dog drives man in new zealand. they're training dogs to drive a car. i could get a little chauffeur's cap for max or fred. >> one problem. you don't live in new zealand. >> her dogs are big enough, they probably could drive a car. >> stephanie: they won't drive drunk or text. how bad could it be? >> they might be easily distracted. squirrel! >> stephanie: it's an idea. jacki schechner in the current news center. >> good morning. republican house leaders held a

press conference this morning where speaker john boehner described his latest phone call with the president as deliberate. explaining they spoke openly and honestly about the differences between their two plans to avoid the fiscal cliff. boehner says while he considers himself a positive guy he is not convinced an agreement is imminent. >> i was born with a glass half full. i remain the most optimistic person in this town. but we've got some serious differences. >> that's an understatement. the congressional campaign committee is launching a new set of radio and tv ads going after 21 tea party republicans in the house standing in the way of extending the middle class tax cuts. here is an example of the dramatic tv spot after california congressman gary miller. you that holiday season, if you make only one phone call, send only one e-mail, tell congressman gary miller don't drive us off the cliff! >> not bad.

the president has used the phrase holding the middle class hostage when he talks about republicans who want to protect the rich at the expense of everyone else so the ads direct people to the web site g.o.p. hostage takers.com. where they aim to collect a half a million signatures in support of a house vote on the senate tax cut bill that's already passed. for those arguing we need lower corporate tax rates to spur economic growth, the nation online has put together five case studies that name a ceo the company, its tax rate the past two years which is very low in all of these instances and then how many people have been let go of that company since 2007. it illustrates the point that in many cases greed only begets more greed. we're back after the break. stay with us. on to me now? you know the the kikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikikiki on to me now? you know the the

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[ laughter ] >> stephanie: he claims every beaver as his own. kids! sexy liberal inauguration weekend. it is -- just booked. i just told hal the second huge surprise guest on the panel. now we're excited. >> four years ago, we witnessed the first inauguration of president barack obama. ♪ like a virgin ♪ >> in november, america decide one term wasn't enough. ♪ do that to me one more time ♪ >> this time around, stephanie miller and her team of two-term comics are coming to make this a party d.c. will never forget! on january 19th, just two days before obama's second inauguration the sexy liberal comedy tour starring hal sparks, john fuglesang aisha tyler and the goddess of liberals, stephanie miller will perform live at the warner theatre in washington, d.c. tickets are available at ticketmaster.com. and if you want to skip the fees, stop by the warner theatre box office at 513 13th street

northwest. the tea baggers lost in november. so stephanie is going to do her thing before the inaugural ball. >> that means two things. >> that's the stephanie miller sexy liberal comedy tour live in d.c. inauguration weekend. for more information, go to sexyliberal.com. all right. thank you. [ applause ] >> stephanie: hal sparks. >> first of all, i don't know where to start. let's go right off the bat that scalia is either -- has suffered some sort of forceable lobotomy at the hands of roger ailes or is frankly a sociopath. >> stephanie: yeah. >> because i don't care morally -- you know, in the abstract what you care about other people, if he's anti-gay, that's his business. i think he's -- >> stephanie: what does that have to do with the law? what you think about things? >> we are a country of laws, not morals ultimately because some people may think murder is a moral act.

do you have the right to take another life because it is in your -- if you have the ability to do it, that morally perhaps that encompasses is your vile of the fittest for you. but we don't do that. we have a system of laws in this country. he is the actual final drawing line on that part. and i don't care how you morally feel about murder. the laws are set up to protect us from people who have slipshod views of those morals. when you're murdered, all your rights are taken away. when two gay people get together, they have more rights. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] >> stephanie: in case you just tuned in so you know what hal is talking about. judge scalia -- equated lgbt with murder. he was asked by an openly gay princeton freshman, duncan hosey is his name. about his comments. he stood by his logic as reduction to the absurd. he said it is a form of argument that i thought you would have known which is called the reduction to the absurd.

if we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality, can we have it against murder? can we have it against other things? he was not equating sodomy with murder but drawing a parallel between the bans on both. he said i'm surprised -- >> there is no parallel. there is absolutely no parallel. i was having this discussion with a friend on mine on facebook. there is no relationship between homosexual relationships and murder. >> stephanie: it is not effective logically. >> if you think it is, there's something tweaked about you. that's a sociopathic reflex because you think that -- someone's moral argument about behavior is on par with the elimination of someone's life. which is actually protected in the constitution. well the constitution does not cover man-woman marriage or make very distinct statements about homosexuality in any stretch of the image -- imagination. you are protected in that

regard. >> the laws are the same as the holocaust. [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] >> that's the same parallel that can be drawn. >> if you can write a ticket for speeding in a kid zone. you can write a ticket for the holocaust and call it a day. that man is a nut job! >> stephanie: i think that -- i love this headline because i think it is proof of how out-of-step he is. [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] g.o.p. mute. have you heard anything from top republican? they know generationally -- >> saying what they think for them. >> stephanie: house republican leaders had a uniform response to the supreme court's decision to take up gay marriage silence. this comes at an exceedingly awkward time for republicans politico writes. many are trying to downplay their party's views on social issues to get a pass back to electoral success. the house of representatives told the supreme court the constitutionality of doma is an issue of great national importance that urgently requires the justice's attention. when the court agreed on friday to hear doma, they had nothing to say. first of all these are the

fiscal conservatives that are asking us to cut medicare and social security. you know how much taxpayer money they've spent defending doma? >> exactly. that's because in their world and this is kind of where the scalia argument really just -- is actually reduction to the absurd in so far as how they make a case. he's going off the deep end making this big comparison where they're softly making this comparison everywhere else. it is like a pyramid scheme of connation where they he says they're on home phobia and murder is on the same arc. further down, i believe one man and one woman is the best for society. ultimately, they feel the same thing. he's the trunk of the tree. they all believe that. >> we believe in the sanctity of murder. >> stephanie: middle of the fiscal cliff debate and spending cuts. they hired government expense a lawyer many consider the finest supreme court hit gator of the

moment. they're not just going through the moments as paul clement said. so far a total of two million for legal proceedings. there is going to have to be more as they go forward with this. >> right. >> stephanie: to me, clearly unconstitutional. so we're spending money -- they're spending money to defend this because nobody wants to defend it anymore. >> that's the goofy part. and they're having a hard time. when you've got george will coming out saying it is time to put this behind us, this is old people who are against this for the most part, the issue they have is that they're like okay, we need to reshape our image. we need to reshape our message. but the core of what they believe isn't shifting at all. immigration policies -- are racism. >> stephanie: their argument about this. and its oogieness. legal definition of it is. >> i want a law passed so i don't have to feel oogie when i see a gay couple walking hand in hand. i want the cops to show up. >> stephanie: they want to legislate heeby jeebieness.

>> democrats are nor nanny government. when these guys are like the sean hannity nook, nook crowd. >> stephanie: he does it every week now. >> i don't want to see two gay people. i have to explain it to my friends. nook nook. that's really what it is. it is so socially complicated r you that you d't wantt to have tovealoal aut itt t anybody bo beuse it willil bringut y yr bigot and you're embarrassed by that so you don't want to be confronted with it, pretend it doesn't exist. >> stephanie: fred in minnesota, you're on with hal. hello, fred. >> caller: hello. thank you for taking my call. >> stephanie: thank you for calling. >> caller: i wanted to get something started. how about a recall for that wuss of a governor in michigan. >> you know, that's a great idea but i don't think it is going to happen. ultimately, he's up -- >> stephanie: 2014. >> he's not going to make it. >> stephanie: i hope that's what happens with walker. the polling showed, people just didn't believe in a recall at that point but boy i hope the next time he faces people at the

ballot box same thing happens. >> stephanie: let's go to david in seattle. you're on with hal. >> caller: hi, steph. they're taking away our stations. the tweaky heads are giving me a headache with this union talk. it is like a big wave of propaganda. i don't understand any of it. you don't have a right to collective bargain but yet somehow scalia can make the other arguments? the main thing i was talking about, i don't hear obama talking about the $750 subsidies for oil companies when they start bringing up entitlements, they want to go after medicaid and everything right away. nobody is talking about the biggest leverage of money. >> that was actually brought up this morning in a couple of press conferences directly about that. and pelosi has hinted at that as well. why is that not on the table. that is a -- that is a corporate entitlement. p.s., did you hear we got paid back for the final bailout thing and the fed made a profit on

that as well? >> stephanie: yeah. we were saying -- we were talk beefing the -- with charlie pierce about how people throw around the ideas like there's no human cost. raise the medicare age to 67. somebody called from your hometown from chicago to say my husband lays brick in chicago. he's not going to be able to do it much longer until he's 60 let alone -- >> there is an easy solution for this. there is an upper middle -- middle class and upper middle class group of people, a large swath of people who do what is soft retirement. they retire effect live i from their company or own entity at 65 and they continue to consult for the next seven years. something like that. there can be a faisal -- raising the medicaid for that group of people. if you have some sort of gainful employment over a certain amount, let's say it is $150,000 a year or whatever that you're continuing to bring in an income that's three times what the average american family is making, then you continue to pay into medicare and you stop --

social programs and you don't draw out. you don't draw out until effectively you're out of the work force in that level. that's -- they bought out my mom -- my mom is registered nurse. she worked for the state. she bought out her retirement so she could retire two years early. they do that all the time to get new people into the work force. that's fine. if you're going to do that then the inverse can be true for people who -- they're legally retired from whatever their company was but they're still working for the next seven years at a high rate of gain. >> stephanie: yeah. you know who -- the newman of our show now is lloyd blankfein the ceo of goldman sachs. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ] >> stephanie: we can't afford the entitlements. >> we? it is goldman sachs. >> stephanie: because for him to sit in his freakin' cozy office until he's 67 is different than the guy -- laying bricks. enjoying his $32 million hamptons home. [ ♪ dramatic ♪ ]

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>> what a way to start the day. (vo) followed by "talking liberally with stephanie miller" >> this is big for me. only on current tv. ♪ i love ♪ >> stephanie miller. ♪ put another dime in the jukebox, baby. ♪ i love ♪ >> stephanie miller ♪ come and take your time and dance with me ♪ >> stephanie: this is "the stephanie miller show." welcome to it. hump days with sexy liberal hal sparks. >> so sad in the middle of that -- recording a song and someone steps on her foot.

you're trying to record a song -- wow! >> stephanie: can they do a retake? jenny in california. you're on with hal. hi jenny. jefny? -- >> caller: this is judy. >> stephanie: t-bone is drunk. >> caller: i was thinking who in the heck is jenny. it is offsubject but i'm curious about the little bubble the republicans live in now. they've created this little world of lies and the bush administration has created the very people they have always said do not vote. they've always declared that the working poor don't vote. we don't have to worry about them. they don't vote. they don't vote. they show gays parading. we don't have to worry about them. >> stephanie: jenny -- judy, no. i mean you know, i think -- i

don't know if you saw the republican official saying that's what we do. we have to do whatever we can to win. voter i.d., long lines whatever it takes. it is like what? >> eric holder really says that voter registration should be automatic this weekend. it should. "meet the press," it is their anniversary this weekend. they're playing a bunch of clips. one of them is martin luther king jr. talking about how we should -- there should be uniform voting rights across the country. the problem is the states' rights crowd using that to manipulate the electorate. the same version of gerrymandering so they protect their vote in these red states by making sure they can monkey with the voting system every time it comes around. so i think the solution is all federal elections should be dealt with by the federal government and if you want to create hanging chats for your local school official, that's your business. after awhile, it will be cheaper to do it uniform with what the federal system. but i think if you're voting for senator and congressperson and president of the united states, then those three things affect

every other state. so through equal protection or through the commerce clause, there is a bunch of different ways you can go. all federal level voting should be done in a uniform standard. that's easy to do. >> stephanie: hal sparks should be in charge of all things ever, don't you think? >> i think so. >> the about the could do that with an executive order. it is easily constitutional. >> stephanie: cindy in michigan. hi cindy. >> caller: hi, steph mooks. a few points from this place here that's going backwards now. you know, they had a constitutional amendment to protect collective bargaining. this was in november. and it got voted down. mostly because people didn't want to change the constitution. and the koch brothers had asked that -- the unions weren't mentioned. a lot of people voted it down then the republicans said we have a mandate. so the first thing they did very silently last week before all of

this happened was they tightened up the recall legislation. they made it much harder to do a recall. >> stephanie: of course they did. they know exactly what they're doing here. >> the other thing that happened was the timing on this is essential because you know, there would be more democrats that could have slowed this down if it was next year. and they would have gotten a lot of information out because this affects all workers because now we're at an at-will state where you can be fired because they don't like your looks or whatever but it also hides racism ageism, sexism because you don't have to document why you've done what you've done. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: and then there's one other thing about the timing. because we've got trillions of dollars in profits sitting on the sidelines that's going to end up getting in the economy probably next year. so if they had waited too much longer, it would have been too late for the legislation for the at--will state to get in there. it is not going to take effect until april. but it would have been at the end of the year.

then all of this profit comes in jobs start getting created. they can't take credit for it. they want to make it so it looks like hey look, we did that. >> the job creators. >> stephanie: this, to me, seems like koch brothers sore loserdom. did you see chris matthews yelling at that guy. he was trying to get him to say koch brothers. americans for prosperity. >> who pays -- who's paying you to say that right now? and it is. these two guys. >> americans from prosperity. >> i can guess what the last name is. >> stephanie: chris matthews is like a dog with a rawhide. [ applause ] who pays you? >> who signs your checks? >> stephanie: okay. all right. john in michigan. oh hi, john, i cut you off because i thought you dropped the f bomb on me. >> caller: i didn't do that though. >> stephanie: you have your 30 seconds back. go. >> caller: okay.

fiscal cliff. let's go back to the reagan tax rates. everybody loved reagan. he's their hero. let's go back to his rates. number two save medicare and medicaid. let's put a little doughnut in there. let's go up to $110,000, everybody pays. and then after the $110,000, you go to $250,000, nobody pays but after $250,000, you pay for fica on everything. on your dividends on capital gains, everything. >> stephanie: yep. >> caller: we won't have any problems. as a matter of fact, i can sit back in my retirement chair and relax. >> stephanie: he dropped another f bomb on me, fica. more hump days with hal coming up on "the stephanie miller show." jennifer > i want the people who watch our show to be able to come away armed with facts and the arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them that

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>> i can't believe there is a real santa. >> so that year i got a vibrator from santa, that was really from santa? >> stephanie: just what we need, more bushes. did you see that jenna bush is pregnant? we wish her well. she said i'm nervous and so excited to say henry and i are pregnant or i'm pregnant. yeah, we get it. >> stephanie: you're the one. >> it is often times a couple can use the royal we as we're pregnant. that's okay. but in her defense -- >> stephanie: yes? >> there probably are family members who were momentarily confused. if history is -- path to prologue. they went oh my god what? oh! just you.

it is the end times. jehovah god. michele bachmann called and congratulated him and then she went over and yelled at marcus. >> the day is at hand. we're in the last days. your jehovah god. >> maybe marcus can carry the next five. >> stephanie: is it me or -- she talks like a toddler. please don't talk to me. >> don't pinch my cheeks. >> who's the lilja hova god with the tummy tum tum? >> peekaboo! >> i see all. i can't play peekaboo. i'm all-knowing too. you can't hide the keys. i know which hand it is in. i created your hands. >> stephanie: can't play peekaboo. >> oh, you're a cutesy. >> stephanie: cranky old john mccain wants to be on the committee to yell questions at

susan rice. >> hey i wonder why. maybe it's because he's out of committees because he's termed out of all of the major committees. maybe that's because republicans have limitations on how long you can be on a committee and he's done all of them! >> stephanie: dick durbin was asked if he would be approved. he said he thinks so. some of the criticisms against her have been unwarranted adding she's an extraordinary person. john mccain wants to be able to -- huh? benghazi! >> stephanie: what do you think? everybody is saying is it going to be john kerry or susan rice? what do you think? >> i think susan rice is a great candidate for that. i think actually john kerry is really apparently wanted state but people have talked about him for secretary of defense. i think you could almost have a flak nearly as big with him going for defense as they would susan rice. purple band-aid brigade would be out again. then they would play his tapes from when he was -- i don't

know -- vietnam war. >> stephanie: speaking of john mccain he -- he was asked what he would teach stephen colbert if the comedian became the next senator from south carolina. he said how to shut up. >> huh? >> really? does he know how? >> mccain knows how to shut up? those who can't do, teach. >> stephanie: sexy liberal tour comedians rule the world. he's ahead. stephen colbert is ahead. he leads the list of potential candidates to replace jim demint in a new public policy polling. >> one thing i learned about working with john mccain when i worked in arizona, do not get between him and a television camera. >> stephanie: jim and i made that mistake once at the last inauguration. >> you will die! >> stephanie: we were trying to get out of his way. he was storming toward imus or something. >> he and lindsey graham are jockeying to be the biggest gadflies. ron paul was taking a powder to get out of the camera way in the house or whatever so these two

guys are the two senators. >> stephanie: he's the senator from the green room. >> nobody wants to see mcconnell or boehner. they're the two that we'll take the spotlight because we look like we're in the process of doing something which for the record they're not! >> stephanie: dean in atlanta. you're on with hal. welcome, dean. >> caller: how are you? >> stephanie: good. go ahead. >> caller: i just want to preface my comment with the observation that i think -- i should practice law. i think justice scalia's pretty much a bully and -- has some issues of his own that need resolution. but i think you're missing the point and i haven't heard anybody really speak about it. either on your show or elsewhere i don't think he's saying that gay marriage is murder.

what i think he would argue is that there is a -- that the government has the right to outlaw or make illegal behavior that it considers immoral. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: there's really no dispute. we have a set of codified morality already. the problem with his argument, however -- >> stephanie: he wasn't comparing gay marriage. he was comparing homosexuality itself to murder. >> caller: right. i understand that. that leads to the two problems with his argument. the first problem is that to the extent we're talking about gay marriage, it is just a contract. and anybody who wants to make a distinction between marriage and civil unions is just really missing the boat. >> like nobody's going to get fined or handed a ticket for saying we were married last week. no, you were civilly joined. $50. >> caller: that's exactly the point. the second problem which is a little bit more insidious to his argument is once you start outlawing things like homosexual relations between people, that

leads to the point where you can start outlawing heterosexual relations between people. >> sodomy is not an act that's engaged in solely by homosexuals. let's be clear about that. >> stephanie: hello. >> technically, it is any sexual act that doesn't lead to procreation. guilty as charged! [ ding ding ] [ applause ] >> ultimately, that's the truth. once you start saying these two people can't do this consensually as consenting adults, you can start making all kinds of -- >> stephanie: by the way you know who opened the door to -- i think to marriage equality, justice scalia in his dissent. the lawrence case versus texas. he basically said if we vote this way it opens the door to marriage equality which back then seemed like -- [ cuckoo clock chimes ] >> sodomy -- laws against marriage which they're not. they're a behavior aspect.

we do not outlaw murder because it is immoaferl. it is not a morality choice. it eliminates the existence of another person. >> it takes away the rights of the other person. >> it denies them every right as a citizen. we don't do that morally. we don't make a moral choice about it. >> stephanie: that's exactly right. that's why ted olson won and boies in prop 8 because they couldn't prove harm to anybody. >> they link it to pedophilia, for example. it eliminates the rights of someone who has -- is without choice in a circumstance. they're a child being acted upon by an adult. so that's not even a moral -- that's a material distinction. so you don't have to argue -- that's why they have no case. so you can't -- his conflation of that -- well, everything is moral decision. my morals are as important as your morals and slipshod and gray area all the way. it's not.

you're eliminating the moral rights of a child in that circumstance. >> stephanie: jim in indiana. go ahead jim. this jim. >> caller: love you guys. i grew up in detroit. and i work for the unions. i now live in indiana and i also work at a nonunion car plant and trust me the unions are far better. we were a team when we were a union. even though we knew we were against management, management was against us, we were a team. >> stephanie: jim, i was reading earlier, there's been a lot of research that shows both union and nonunion workers do worse in these right-to-work states quote-unquote. >> that's very true. it is like working in a concentration camp. they lay out the rules. you have no rights. period. they tell you what you can accept. and if you don't -- >> stephanie: was that the hitler reference you were going for, jim? >> caller: i wanted to get jim in there a little bit too. i love him too. also, they have two jobs to do.

taxes, fiscal cliff. why do you have to bring in social security and medicare and fix something that's not broke? >> stephanie: social security's case, we keep saying doesn't add a penny to the deficit. >> it is absurd. if you're going to curtail something or act like something is horribly busted, then i would say the military expenditures that go into effect because of the sequestration actually are something that's a crucial. they're going to drop off immediately and the spending on them is overtly far beyond its necessity. >> stephanie: it is more than the military asks for. congress is trying to give them more. >> to do what with? it is not like they're not ahead technologically from -- on every front. >> but we need to be able to blow up the world 150 times not 147. >> stephanie: otherwise we're french and gay. ron in illinois, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi ron. >> caller: good morning, steph. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: i don't understand why john boehner think -- unless he's living -- think he's living

in an ogle archy i couldn't understand -- i don't understand why he thinks he's bargaining from a position of power. >> he seems to be under the illusion that they won the election but he personally did. not only does the president not have a mandate but that they somehow do. even though they lost seats in the house. >> stephanie: he says it. we have the -- republican majority got a mandate. no you didn't. a million more people voted for democrats than republicans. >> guess what. >> i believe larry craig had a mandate. [ ding ding ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: 44 minutes after the hour. >> it was simple misspeak. if anybody in this room starts tossing stones -- >> starts costing stones. >> stephanie: cost us scones. don't have the stones to

mispronounce stuff on this show. i often put it on the wrong syllable. hi mar. >> caller: okay, well i'm calling for west virginia but i was born and raised in michigan. i lived there almost half of my life. so i lived there during the period of time when the unions were really strong because i'm 70 years old. so you can guess what period of time. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: i want to make this statement here to anybody that's listening to your show. that if you think because you're not in a union or the union doesn't affect you that you don't have a dog in this fight you got a big dog in this fight. you better wake up and realize this because if it wasn't for those labor unions, you wouldn't be making a livable wage out there. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: people who are trying to organize -- >> stephanie: the workers can't think they're going to continue to get the same benefits and not have to pay into it because they're going to weaken -- that's what this is all about. you're going to weaken the unions, none of will you get it. >> welcome to the walmart world. that's what they're shooting

for. keep everybody below a certain number of hours so medicaid and medicare have to pick up the slack. then your tax dollars are subsidizing a corporation spread across the globe without getting taxes o back for it. it would be up with thing this if he were for it. >> stephanie: back with the remaining moments of hump days with hal sparks on "the stephanie miller show." >> makes me sick in a wonderful wonderful way. >> announcer: it's "the stephanie miller show." >> together we can get new yorkers back to yelling at strangers and ignoring our (vo) this friday current tv presents a special event. >> nobody knows disasters like that's why for my upcoming benefit for victims of hurricane sandy, i booked the strongest, smartest comics i could find. my comedian friends and i will raise money to rebuild homes and lives one laugh at a time. so tune in next friday for my all star comedy special. >> together we can get new

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>> stephanie miller. ♪ come on, ride the train and ride it ♪ >> stephanie: come on, get it, ride it. it is "the stephanie miller show". >> none of my business. that's the essence of liberal politics. hey, man, hands off. as long as you're not arming anybody -- >> stephanie: christmas beaver is in the house filling in for jim again. go to go to meeting. you can present from your ipad. try it free for 30 days. visit gotomeeting.com. use the promo code stephanie. of course hal has a fancy apple charger. he has the mini ipad. he's an apple boy. [ ♪ magic wand ♪ ] >> you are appled up. >> the regular and the mini. that way i can keep track of chat room -- >> stephanie: are we posting a picture of hal -- of hal measuring my christmas beaver with his giant freaky tongue. >> he's got a candy cane. >> stephanie: christmas just

came early. [ applause ] >> stephanie: what? what are your latest thoughts on the fiscal cliff clavin as we call it? >> well, i think we have a lot to learn from what i would call the fiscal spliff from washington state. legalization of marijuana adds to the state's coffers or costs the federal government an equal amount of money to police it from a distance, that's going to be the curious one. so far as the fiscal cliff the dumbest thing -- the republicans are in a situation where you know they're giving two pages of -- we want this. remember, we just -- they're torn out like perforated from the paul ryan plan. they bring them in. okay, tomorrow we'll come back with more. these are the same pages only they have -- is that bourbon on them? >> stephanie: bourbon and cheeto stains on them. >> the truth is -- i think charlie pierce touched on it before. the dumb thing is that they

don't immediately go for the middle class tax cuts and let those go through. but they can't give any ground and that, i think proves that boehner can't deliver the votes necessary to get anything through. >> stephanie: right. >> this thing is going to die on the vine. i predict technical going over of the fiscal cliff. i think the democrats benefit from putting a bill to the floor that's basically -- that will be the obama tax cut. they're going to have to vote against it. the first vote of this new congress, they're going to have to vote against a middle class tax cut. no win for these guys if they don't pass it in the next week. they can't word it between now and then. crafting a bill actually takes some time and some process. >> stephanie: yep. megan in akron ohio. hi welcome. >> caller: hi. i just have a question for you. about the viability of a challenge to this in michigan. what can they do? >> stephanie: megan, i was

doing that story earlier that the unions are saying -- this fight is not over. there may be a way you know, to be able to -- i don't know the technical term for it. basically to be able to put it back -- >> negative ballot initiative. some other options. >> stephanie: if they get enough signatures -- >> the history is not on their side. every time they try to do that, it has been -- >> stephanie: look at sb5 in ohio. take heart from that. i want to ask you quickly -- [ ♪ "world news tonight" ♪ ] we talked about this earlier. hal sparks, high profile famous person as well. kevin class the voice of elmo has been accused by a fourth accuser who claimed he had a sexual relationship with him when he was younger. when he paid off the first guy now -- you know, this guy said this happened in 1995. he realized how emotionally damaged he is. i just -- >> that smacks of opportunism. >> that's always the difficult part of it. you know, unfortunately i think

we have -- you know, if you want to deal with the social aspect of it, we have a shame reflex toward people who have been molested or who have been sexually assaulted where coming forward has been made so difficult for them or that there's some level of weakness associated with it that at the time that -- it does take years. >> stephanie: i don't know what the truth is. where there's smoke there's fire or if you settle with somebody, this opens the door if you're famous to have people go oh! >> the problem was there was lots of evidence shuffling them around. i think -- you know, the issue becomes -- you know, a lot of people -- he stepped away. he is no longer the voice. that was a business decision because i think he owns some element of -- he created the character. >> yeah, he did. >> somebody else will voice it and continue it on that will not be associated with this. believe me, it's kind of one of those things. you find an anti-gay republican politician more than likely, you find out some gay shenanigans going on a lot of times.

then you find unfortunately a lot of -- kids performers, there is this word linkage in some cases where it is a perceptive statistic of people who like younger people sexually. it is unfortunate. >> stephanie: tyrone in gary, indiana, on right to work. hey, tyrone. >> caller: hi, miss miller. i love you guys. you guys are crazy but i love you. >> stephanie: true on both counts. >> not scalia crazy but hey that's crazy. >> caller: the right-to-work law is like the -- woody horton case where they say one thing to create a smoke screen and then pull a fast one on you and by the time you figure out what's going on, it's over. that's what happened in michigan. >> sure. >> caller: mr. demint, which i call deminted jim will be going from the senate to the think tanks to think of how to come up with these other lies. >> stephanie: some of some more -- think of some more awful

ideas. >> real good until it is too late. >> caller: number three, i couldn't vote this time because i was born in cook county. for 30 years my birth certificate said tyrone k. baker until 9-11 when i went down to get my birth certificate changed because i had to get the new seal it said baker recently when i moved to indiana, here you have to have a bit certificate to get a driver's license. i went to the dmv here and they told me how to go get it. it says nothing. so as i talk to you die exist. >> stephanie: i was just going to say you've been erased by sandra bullock. >> in truth that is a big part of the mechanic of what they're doing. i don't want to be too black helicopter tinfoil hat about this but there is -- you know, there is -- there has been a movement that is 40, 50 years old. that is -- is a reflex blowback essentially from the civil

rights movement. where there are people who are dug into the government very deeply and really believe that women shouldn't vote, that minorities shouldn't be voting. this should be an electoral college thing based on what the founding fathers wanted as only land-owning white men should be able to vote. they really believe that. >> stephanie: absolutely. hal sparks, anything else to plug besides sexy liberal washington, d.c.? >> i will be back next weekend. it starts back again. i was on sirius for six weeks in our special run election coverage stuff. but the show will begin again. we'll have our regular chat and all of that kind of stuff this saturday. >> stephanie: tickets going fast for sexy liberal d.c. we'll see you tomorrow on "the stephanie miller s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s s